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On Wed, Sep 3, 2025 at 11:49 PM Aram James wrote:

> 9/4/2025
>
> Hi Henry,
>
> Martin is being a non-responsive witness. Instead of answering your
> question he is using the old technique of answering a question with a
> question. Based on my dialogue exchange with Martin over many months if he
> was being honest, his answer would reflex an extension of his insatiable
> blood lust for the Palestinian people.
>
> In other words, if anyone, even the entire population of the planet, were
> in his view hostile to the interests of Israel, threatened their existence,
> he would gladly nuke the entirety of mankind to save the approximate 12
> million Jews. In his heart of hearts he believes, been taught in the
> synagogue, that Jews are just superior to all non Jews.
>
> That’s the reason he claims ignorance of your question. Its just too
> difficult for Martin to say this outloud. Your friend Martin represents the
> quintessential white male and white female Jewish Zionist Supremacists that
> has been terrorizing the Palestinians since at least the year of my birth,
> in 1948.
>
> Like a petulant child with parents unwilling to set boundaries for the
> their children the world has turned a blind eye to Israel’s genocidal
> behavior since its birth in 1948. Now the entire world is seeing live, up
> close and personal the monster they have created. Martin is just one
> example of the monster mentality we have
> allowed to existed unchecked in israel. Time to eliminate the monster.
>
> Avram” One State Solution” Finkelstein
>
> On Wed, Sep 3, 2025 at 10:39 PM Martin Wasserman
> wrote:
>
>> Im not sure I know what youre talking about, but OK, what are your core
>> premises about how Israel should deal with Gaza?
>>
>> Marty
>>
>>
>> On Sep 3, 2025, at 10:31 PM, Henry Etzkowitz wrote:
>>
>> Apologies, Marty Spotlight on Gaza. No diversion. The families insist!
>>
>> Henry Etzkowitz
>> Etz Chaim member
>> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.triplehelix.net&c=E,1,iEjuXqMVYFTPi5hEakp0DpKPIItzPHOfsKn_szTiho5zG-6oBpLdbvObc28Gf2f95Q_hM6cgKbwgWmI6Ewm5qF372H8MctabUcZV8c1uteyPQwIISHg,&typo=1
>>
>> On Sep 3, 2025, at 9:11 AM, Martin Wasserman wrote:
>>
>> Henry,
>>
>> Im glad that our discussion is getting down to core premises, and Im
>> very interested to know what your core premises are regarding how Israel
>> should deal with its hostile neighbors.
>>
>> Marty
>>
>>
>> On Sep 3, 2025, at 6:12 AM, Henry Etzkowitz wrote:
>>
>> Marty
>>
>> You have arrived at a correct conclusion re “dear cost” from incorrect
>> premises, a not unusual occurrence; a potential learning experience,
>> nevertheless
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 2, 2025, at 8:22 PM, Martin Wasserman wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Henry,
>>
>> Israel has certainly made a lot of mistakes in Gaza. The biggest mistake
>> of course was the forcible evacuation of all the Jewish communities there
>> in 2005, which led directly to the Hamas takeover.
>>
>> Also, before October 7, Hamas started several other wars with Israel. In
>> each one Israel was content to let it end inconclusively, with Hamas still
>> in power. Another mistake in my view.
>>
>> Its been said that Netanyahu was content to leave Hamas in power,
>> because as long as Palestinian leadership was divided, there was no chance
>> of establishing a Palestinian state. If so, I think he made a major
>> mistake. There are plenty of other ways to rule out the idea of a
>> Palestinian state without using the excuse of divided Palestinian
>> leadership.
>>
>> I also dont believe Netanyahu was looking for an excuse to invade Gaza.
>> I think war in Gaza was the last thing he wanted. He often said that as
>> long as Gaza was quiet, Israel would also be quiet. Of course, while Gaza
>> was being quiet, Hamas was busily perfecting its plans for attack.
>>
>> Regarding ethnic cleansing, although there are certainly people in Israel
>> who would like to see that happen, its never been government policy. If it
>> was, theyre doing a very poor job of it. But if it turns out that Hamas is
>> so deeply embedded in the civilian population that the only way to
>> eliminate it is to remove the population itself, then its possible that
>> could happen, and in that case it would be justified. But so far Israel has
>> been very careful to direct its fire in such a way so as not only to avoid
>> risking the lives of the hostages, but also to avoid risking the lives of
>> Gazan civilians. Of course this is very hard because of Hamas’ policy of
>> hiding behind those civilians and using them as human shields.
>>
>> True, the longer the war drags on, the worse it is for Israel. Israel
>> needs to deliver a knockout blow to Hamas and then extend its control over
>> the Strip so it can’t recuperate. To do this will require much more robust
>> rules of engagement, and the same level of commitment to victory that the
>> US had in World War II.
>>
>> Even though it may be tempting to quit before the job is complete, if the
>> war ends with Hamas still in power, after all the sacrifices Israel has
>> made, it will be seen worldwide, and rightly so, as a major victory for
>> Hamas and a major defeat for Israel, which will cost the Jewish state very
>> dearly in the years to come.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Marty
>>
>>
>> On Sep 2, 2025, at 12:27 PM, Henry Etzkowitz wrote:
>>
>> Dear Marty
>>
>> For the record. Israel helped stand up Hamas (Israeli public sources)
>> as part of its Palestinian divide and conquer strategy. Given its
>> superior intelligence capabilities eg Iran leadership bodyguard Cell phone
>> numbers; it was surely privy to Hamas plans
>>
>> Even if not, the young unarmed female soldiers, detailed as Hamas
>> watchers reported, persistently, attack’s imminence yet IDF forces were
>> largely withdrawn: either implicit complicity or total incompetence. Why?
>> An excuse to invade Gaza, as followed. Of course, execution got out of hand
>> and other factions and freelancers entered the breach.
>>
>> Eliminate Hamas No way! it serves a useful purpose for the Netenyahu
>> government in providing an excuse to persist in ethnic cleansing+
>>
>> moreover, there is an associated dynamic: as attacks on Gaza increase;
>> more Gazans are incentivized to join the only credible, available
>> resistance. Ironically, by persisting in this ill conceived war, with no
>> attainable goal, Israeli military and society weakens itself, making Aram’s
>> elimination happen through self-immolation. One half million Israelis have
>> already avoluntarily relocated to the United States
>>
>> Sincerely
>> 3rd generation Zionist
>> Hillel aka Henry
>> Neighbors for Environmental and Social Justice
>> www.triple https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fhelix.net&c=E,1,T5ovHtGq5Zd5IDG7m3nHKYy4I8xMjXEUve0l9EjhsiPFcbZRK0yIsTeQnWIkULCPqSiFYsDnxMrnnWzC13T_5TQ1_5yeSbnBMyvrciAHjcK5&typo=1
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 22, 2025, at 12:38 PM, Aram James wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Subject: Ceasefire Resolution Discussion
>>
>> Hi Julie,
>>
>> I want to bring to your attention that Martin is simply repeating talking
>> points from the pro-Israel lobby. In contrast, Henry’s reasoning for urging
>> the city council to support a ceasefire resolution stems from years of
>> critical thinking.
>>
>> At the very least, please advocate for the council to prioritize a
>> ceasefire resolution given the drastically deteriorating situation in Gaza
>> and the West Bank. If there is a thorough public debate and the full
>> council ultimately votes against the resolution, the public will at least
>> have the opportunity to hear each council members rationale for their
>> decision. This would be a true demonstration of democracy in action.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Aram
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2025 at 12:03 PM, Martin Wasserman
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Julie,
>>>
>>> As a concerned voter and an Oak Creek resident, I strongly urge you to
>>> reject Henrys ill-conceived demand to push for a Gaza ceasefire resolution
>>> in the City Council. Such a resolution would have no effect on anything in
>>> Gaza, but would merely create dissension and strife here at home.
>>>
>>> A unilateral Israeli ceasefire would leave Hamas in power, leave the
>>> hostages in captivity, and effectively end Israel’s campaign to remove this
>>> menace on its southern border. Hamas is a committed enemy not only of
>>> Israel and of Jews, but also of the United States, of Western civilization
>>> itself, and indeed of anyone who doesn’t subscribe to their religious
>>> ideology.
>>>
>>> Hamas, as one branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, has as its ultimate goal
>>> the imposition of Islamic law on the entire globe, by force and violence if
>>> necessary. If we try to restrain Israel from fighting this ideology in
>>> Gaza, we’ll soon be fighting it ourselves on the streets of America.
>>>
>>> The way to resolve the humanitarian crisis in Gaza is to first let
>>> Israel defeat Hamas, and after that focus on the civilian needs. As long as
>>> the oppressive and terrorist Hamas regime remains in power, life will never
>>> improve for ordinary Gazans.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Martin Wasserman
>>> Concerned Citizen
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 22, 2025, at 4:18 AM, Henry Etzkowitz wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Julie,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your service. Given your position on the dais, it is
>>> expected of you to use it or lose it? As your then 82 year old supporter, I
>>> bent over like a strawberry picker and slipped hundreds of your campaign
>>> leaflets under Oak Creek doors. I am asking you now for return on
>>> investment, on the one hand, and on the other, to take the ethical course
>>> of action and place into a resolution before Council, the plea for cease
>>> fire that you aver you have made in writing and in public fora. We, the
>>> Palo Alto voters have elected you to carry out our wishes and to support
>>> you in acting according to your conscience. Fortunately, in this instance
>>> two classic, item opposing political motives, coincide. Julie, it is
>>> incumbent upon you to introduce a “ceasefire now in Gaza”resolution,
>>> Invited to be seconded by George, who received the support of the Palo
>>> Alto Muslim community. He will be inspired as well by the Confucian ethic
>>> he learned in “Chinese school in Palo Alto.” Hopefully, all members of
>>> Council will join to make this position unanimous.
>>>
>>> Like the attorney who persuaded the Supreme Court to briefly open a
>>> window to make an exception to the statute of limitations, precluding a
>>> holocaust victim from seeking restitution, Council may similarly put aside
>>> its prohibition on intervening in international issues to take a position
>>> on one that has become local and globally humane.
>>>
>>> Sincerely
>>>
>>> Henry Etzkowitz
>>> Neighbors for Environmental and Social Justice
>>> 2024 Candidate for Palo Alto City Council
>>> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.triplehelix.net&c=E,1,6CsFM60VZO4DCQOcVb2IZURT0LZt6GihbeVBjho3nbyS4Ks2wmnrrYKT_5nxt6mFT-tc2Eq7cpxE5GQTp1dfuEPr90TnHXb2zaiXWCsN_NLJQ0sKtHaF&typo=1
>>>
>>> On Aug 18, 2025, at 3:28 PM, Aram James wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> But not as. Oh zero
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 18, 2025 at 2:47 PM Lythcott-Haims, Julie <
>>> Julie.LythcottHaims@paloalto.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Since late 2023, I’ve called for a ceasefire, both in writing, and in a
>>>> public forum.
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Julie: But here were the questions I posed to you below: can you
>>> answer these questions:
>>>
>>> Julie came closest to breaking the silence, (1) *but to my knowledge,
>>> she has NEVER demanded of her colleagues that a ceasefire resolution be
>>> placed on the council agenda for a robust public discussion and a
>>> subsequent vote. (2) *
>>> *Similarly, unless I missed it, Julie has NEVER called out or spoken
>>> from the dais: "End the Genocide Now!"*
>>>
>>>
>>> Once you are kind enough to get back to me on the two
>>> questions above I want to get back to your calls for a cease fire.
>>>
>>> Thanks, your supporter for a long time,
>>>
>>> Aram
>>>
>>>
>>>> *Julie Lythcott-Haims*
>>>> *Palo Alto City Council Member*
>>>> Click to make an Office Hours appointment
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 7, 2025, at 1:09 PM, Henry Etzkowitz wrote:
>>>>
>>>> * CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Be
>>>> cautious of opening attachments and clicking on links. *
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Takes both
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 7, 2025, at 11:58 AM, Aram James wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Henry,
>>>>
>>>> You say things so poetically!! Me more like a bull dog or sledge hammer
>>>> than a poet!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Avram “End The Genocide Now!! Finkelstein
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 7, 2025 at 11:05 AM Henry Etzkowitz
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Correct
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie charter member Council “wall of silence”
>>>>>
>>>>> Incumbents persisting will be too shamed and ashamed to seek
>>>>> reelection
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 7, 2025, at 10:02 AM, Aram James wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> FYI: Brian—here is an exchange you may have missed. Was sent to most
>>>>> of the usual suspects.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2025 at 10:58 PM Aram James wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My dear brave friend Henry,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Julie came closest to breaking the silence, but to my knowledge, she
>>>>>> has NEVER demanded of her colleagues that a ceasefire resolution be placed
>>>>>> on the council agenda for a robust public discussion and a subsequent vote.
>>>>>> Similarly, unless I missed it, Julie has NEVER called out or spoken from
>>>>>> the dais: "End the Genocide Now!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As MLK said: “The time is always right to do what is right.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sleep well my friend,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aram
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P.S. Julie, if my recollection is wrong, I invite you to correct the
>>>>>> record.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2025, at 10:20 PM, Henry Etzkowitz wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> dear Aram
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Upon reflection, agree with your assessment. Despite minor
>>>>>>> differences in progressiveness on other issues; there is an implacable wall
>>>>>>> on Gaza cease Fire when implored in succession, there was not a flicker of
>>>>>>> sympathy from the impassive diased.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sadly,
>>>>>>> Henry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ps Marjorie Taylor Green is now cited as moral political role model
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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