here is a lot of information provided by another member of the humanist
community:
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That the emaciated child in one recently-circulated photo has other
health problems besides malnourishment does not disprove that the child
is malnourished and starving due to denial of food, water, and medical
supplies, and treatment of those health problems by the Israelis.
https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.dw.com%2fen%2ffact-check-aid-groups-contradict-israeli-gaza-claims%2fa-73456462&c=E,1,u9dIiZ139gkhq1gU8CIq-6_7M-feVd17utbKCvW_pKn1SGAEOQo5qXvLFYCMvAJm7RlHZbEeUQWrFyOrQw76yNI4r9kxb0S7BgtKJU5bCwvdpc4xLOeJxT4,&typo=1
https://apnews.com/article/gaza-israel-starvation-children-malnutrition-baby-baf865b861c9a2fd9c75068936062146
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-31/controversy-over-image-of-a-skeletal-one-year-old-gazan-boy/105596198
There is plenty of evidence of mass starvation and Israel’s restriction
of the supplies reaching the civilians in Gaza well below that needed to
maintain their health. There might be more if Israel allowed
journalists into the area, instead of killing the ones who try to report
from Gaza.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/07/1165517
https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.amnesty.org%2fen%2flatest%2fnews%2f2025%2f07%2fgaza-evidence-points-to-israels-continued-use-of-starvation-to-inflict-genocide-against-palestinians%2f&c=E,1,lJhBLvlR3rGooP2xNaqxPH40TuK2atKTcWYBDbEcfg11Tg45v9hUbPKJ3thY_HBnGUMvJJ6_XkalIVUvKAG7sPvgKDIcD8bxYC6I2l0yESVrQwT-me81-Js,&typo=1
https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.unrwa.org%2fresources%2freports%2funrwa-situation-report-182-situation-gaza-strip-and-west-bank-including-east-jerusalem&c=E,1,8Navwq12i9zsa1b5ySPPh6JXljzvXnmsppdsBwTpeNi7E5TKDFWImjX3_TsNMa7bX9rE_FNavVJzeGmqgMIXXDWbZTE_NRw5phF5DjVQ&typo=1
The U.S. private force involved in food distribution is complicit in
this as well.
https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.hrw.org%2fnews%2f2025%2f08%2f01%2fgaza-israeli-killings-of-palestinians-seeking-food-are-war-crimes&c=E,1,huRNTfh4TiKbw3wAsQ6Sm32tNQ6wPDgXrnGS-YivITujuPbsASX6Bnep1739QUPbbyQSMqFzphrAojzFuURkfsC645goJ_3FqQus89H_Yg46a2fFYV1GCdAD&typo=1
Do you deny that Israel is systematically starving the people of Gaza
while after killing and injuring a substantial proportion of the
civilian population, as well as destroying their homes, businesses,
medical facilities, and schools, and continuing to do so? Here, the
U.S. is also complicit in supplying many of the military weapons used in
this destruction.
Hamas’ October 7, 2023 attack on Israel and Israel actions against the
civilian population and medical facilities include violations of
international law and morality. Israel’s disproportionate escalation
policy does not allow a mutually acceptable resolution of the conflict,
but only exile or extermination of the Palestinians.
Do you deny that Israeli officials have expressed the intent to remove
or kill all of the people of Gaza?
https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.theguardian.com%2fworld%2f2025%2fmay%2f06%2fhamas-israel-hunger-war-in-gaza&c=E,1,kh3Ik1FNBPs7jIEcIjxvngP8MTRwISn8l52o2TG6bZuDk4IZP59m87GQH6p_rwPFkQv_1ysnEws3BI2G8uOmfDdnUt4bpAO2Ib-rLVbSKTxBvB6t&typo=1
https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.btselem.org%2fpublications%2f202507_our_genocide&c=E,1,sDC-ScDT80oG7B0pJV5D1Unk3DavPMDUkLHT5nhi_H8zTjD_VKbSbT5kgVfsLsorvz5x3ICK4LwmVFQ88YTLISNMdyQRTcWsIWIkI2P4CLWz_A,,&typo=1
https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.hrw.org%2fnews%2f2025%2f05%2f15%2fgaza-latest-israeli-plan-inches-closer-extermination&c=E,1,-aZ5Ec71QlGLzL-scW7V9MLMaU5gebwq55TOrz1KP6xIE1VhXNTQaxT3n-ITwmIra19LS2RlwG7DqoyFKzGRLnrt0DcSYLwUSMyql4qAEx7-IKaDVOXnCcHb8sg,&typo=1
The Arab League has announced their condemnation of Hamas’ October 7,
2023 attack on Israel and demanded that HAMAS disarm as part of a UN
initiative to discuss a two-state solution.
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-862893
What evidence is there that Israel will support a Palestinian state with
characteristics sufficient to eliminate popular support for Hamas and
violence against Israel?
Regarding your second link and issue:
The comparisons in that post seem cherry picked and the claims questionable.
What evidence do we have that Hamas still controls territory in Gaza or
that they are still having any impact on the Israeli occupying force or
Israeli civilians? I have seen news of continuing destruction and
killing of Palestinian civilians by Israel (and by American
mercenaries), but nothing about Hamas continuing to kill or destroy
Israeli forces or civilians. I have seen claims that Hamas still has
some soldiers hiding in tunnels with some Israeli hostages, but that
does not seem to justify Israel starving the civilian population. The
article credits Israel providing aid to the occupied civilians, but I
have seen reports that the aid has been much below that needed to
prevent malnutrition and death from starvation and that the aid is being
used as bait to lure and execute civilians.
Is Israel really willing to strive only for such a low bar as treating
civilians in an occupation better than the Nazis did or would they
prefer to be appreciated for treating them as well as the Americans
treated the Germans and Japanese under occupation? Which approach had
the better outcome? Will Israel have a Marshall Plan for the
Palestinians, allowing them to re-establish self-rule, or will they
divest the Palestinians of their remaining land and continue their
extermination? What has Israel done to cause Palestinians to think that
an unconditional surrender would not mean complete loss of what remains
of their homeland?
What solutions will respect the human rights and aspirations of all the
parties in this conflict and remove the motivation for further conflict?
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gerry
On 8/13/25 22:21, Martin Wasserman wrote:
> Aram,
>
> Youre the one who refuses to deal with facts. The only party to the
> Gaza conflict that has explicitly called for a war of extermination is
> Hamas, the group that you ludicrously describe as "freedom fighters.”
>
> Martin Wasserman
>
>
>> On Aug 13, 2025, at 9:47 PM, Aram James wrote:
>>
>> Martin,
>>
>> You dont hardly speak in facts -as I said a moment’s ago, you
>> traffic exclusively in unadulterated worn-out pro-Israel lobby
>> talking points. As my very Jewish dad used to say: “some folks dont
>> want to be disturbed by the facts.” Sadly, Martin, you suffer from
>> an apparently incurable case of the dont bother me with the facts,
>> syndrome.
>>
>> Avram “End The Mass Extermination In Palestine Now” Finkelstein
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 9:30 PM Martin Wasserman
>> wrote:
>>
>> Aram,
>>
>> I notice that you never try to dispute my arguments with actual
>> facts, obviously because you have no facts to dispute them with!
>>
>> Martin Wasserman
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2025, at 9:02 PM, Aram James wrote:
>>>
>>> Another tired PRO-Israeli lobby talking point, AIPAC, talking
>>> point!
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 8:57 PM Martin Wasserman
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> How quickly the blood libel spreads!! If Israel was waging a
>>> war of extermination, most of the Gazans would be long gone
>>> by now.
>>>
>>> Martin Wasserman
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 13, 2025, at 6:48 PM, Aram James
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Henry,
>>>>
>>>> I hope Julie surprises us all and finally does the right
>>>> thing. It is past time for her to break her silence.
>>>>
>>>> Avram
>>>>
>>>> Agreed upon a united front: surprise if Julie goes Marjorie.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 13, 2025, at 5:49 PM, Aram James
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 8/13/2025
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Henry,
>>>>>
>>>>> Im hoping that when Julie Lythcott-Haims returns to
>>>>> her duties on the Palo Alto City Council that she will
>>>>> match the extremely white wing Marjorie Taylor Green
>>>>> and call out for all the world to hear: /End The
>>>>> Genocide Now. /
>>>>> /
>>>>> /
>>>>> Avram Finkelstein
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S. All seven of our city council members claim to be
>>>>> Democrats. But not one of them has been willing to
>>>>> call out the ongoing Holocast in 🇵🇸 Palestine either
>>>>> in their private citizen’s role or in their official
>>>>> capacities as members of the city council. Each one
>>>>> who remains silent is complicit in the daily war
>>>>> crimes and genocide in 🇵🇸 Palestine.
>>>>> Will they each eventually be tried for their
>>>>> complicity in Genocide? Only time will tell!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 4:54 PM Henry Etzkowitz
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> NewsBreak
>>>>> NewsBreak
>>>>> Used by over 45 million people
>>>>> Open APP
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Marjorie Taylor Greene Is Now The First GOP
>>>>> Congress Member To Call Whats Happening In
>>>>> Gaza A "Genocide"
>>>>>
>>>>> BuzzFeed
>>>>> Marjorie Taylor Greene Is Now The First GOP
>>>>> Congress Member To Call Whats Happening In Gaza A
>>>>> "Genocide" Source: BuzzFeed
>>>>> Click to read the full story
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>
>>
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